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edgewalker69 |
My point is 1: if the King Rules by divine right. 2. Then god words must be law. 3. Therefore, it is in the interest of the king to push gods law. 4. By gods law, everyman is equal in the eyes of god. 5. Fast forward 500 years to the USA. Abraham Lincoln is the president of the USA, by right of the constitution and the god giving right to pursue happiness. | ||
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edgewalker69 |
I dont know | ||
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nosliwreborn |
I'm having trouble trying to track what point edgewalker69 is trying to make | ||
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edgewalker69 |
so does the king | ||
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edgewalker69 |
the state | ||
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edgewalker69 |
The law push progress | ||
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edgewalker69 |
Like the slaves of the USA in the civil war, the rights of every man to pursue happiness, well slaves are men too | ||
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edgewalker69 |
Well in religions, law come from god, right? The King rule by divine right, so if god says; your sins are between you and god, and that is enforced by the state in order to legitimize one's own right to rule. | ||
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edgewalker69 |
They could in Rome | ||
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edgewalker69 |
But within the family, the father could not kill his own children | ||
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edgewalker69 |
The king held absolute control over life and death, but only to the extent sanctioned by his nobles and peers, no man is an island and rule alone. | ||
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edgewalker69 |
What part? | ||
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edgewalker69 |
Not true? | ||
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edgewalker69 |
WutFace | ||
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edgewalker69 |
Well accroding to some, Jesus Christ Kappa | ||
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edgewalker69 |
Well no, it didnt remain the same, it evolved. In Rome the father held complete control over life and death within the family, and no man could legally tell him otherwise, this is not the case under feudalism, so what changed? | ||
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edgewalker69 |
Usually such rewards come for military support or coin | ||
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edgewalker69 |
That is the idealistic version of capitalisim | ||
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edgewalker69 |
I agree, but under feudalism, the hierarchy of the family remained the same, the social mobility none existent, yet we broke that in the west, right? | ||
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edgewalker69 |
I am not a Christian, but one must wonder why in the Christian world do we value the individual, and not in say Mongolia? | ||
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nosliwreborn |
Good, I had a grilled cheese not long ago, you? | ||
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edgewalker69 |
I got this from \"Inventing the Individual: The Origins of Western Liberalism\" By Sir. Larry Siedentop, Doctor. of philosophy, this is his analysis, I am telling you. | ||
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edgewalker69 |
I dont disagree on this biological essentialist view, but what you are saying and what I am saying can be true at the same time. | ||
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nosliwreborn |
Greetings exalted one | ||
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edgewalker69 |
It is a collection of families | ||
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edgewalker69 |
What is a tribe? | ||
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edgewalker69 |
No | ||
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edgewalker69 |
That you were in fact NOt be judge on others action, but before god | ||
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edgewalker69 |
This John the Apostles account, where he is send from Rome to Damascus to persecute the followers of jesus, and on the road, he realise what the concept of the individual is | ||
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edgewalker69 |
This is till the same in the middeleast |
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