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Feb 1, 2022 23:04:49	edgewalker69	This John the Apostles account, where he is send from Rome to Damascus to persecute the followers of jesus, and on the road, he realise what the concept of the individual is
Feb 1, 2022 23:05:09	edgewalker69	That you were in fact NOt be judge on others action, but before god
Feb 1, 2022 23:05:28	edgewalker69	No
Feb 1, 2022 23:05:33	edgewalker69	What is a tribe?
Feb 1, 2022 23:05:42	edgewalker69	It is a collection of families
Feb 1, 2022 23:08:37	nosliwreborn	Greetings exalted one
Feb 1, 2022 23:09:03	edgewalker69	I dont disagree on this biological essentialist view, but what you are saying and what I am saying can be true at the same time.
Feb 1, 2022 23:09:05	edgewalker69	I got this from \"Inventing the Individual: The Origins of Western Liberalism\" By Sir. Larry Siedentop, Doctor. of philosophy, this is his analysis, I am telling you.
Feb 1, 2022 23:09:21	nosliwreborn	Good, I had a grilled cheese not long ago, you?
Feb 1, 2022 23:11:34	edgewalker69	I am not a Christian, but one must wonder why in the Christian world do we value the individual, and not in say Mongolia?
Feb 1, 2022 23:14:48	edgewalker69	I agree, but under feudalism, the hierarchy of the family remained the same, the social mobility none existent, yet we broke that in the west, right?
Feb 1, 2022 23:15:49	edgewalker69	That is the idealistic version of capitalisim
Feb 1, 2022 23:17:52	edgewalker69	Usually such rewards come for military support or coin
Feb 1, 2022 23:19:31	edgewalker69	Well no, it didnt remain the same, it evolved. In Rome the father held complete control over life and death within the family, and no man could legally tell him otherwise, this is not the case under feudalism, so what changed?
Feb 1, 2022 23:19:41	edgewalker69	Well accroding to some, Jesus Christ Kappa
Feb 1, 2022 23:20:17	edgewalker69	WutFace
Feb 1, 2022 23:20:19	edgewalker69	Not true?
Feb 1, 2022 23:20:21	edgewalker69	What part?
Feb 1, 2022 23:21:31	edgewalker69	The king held absolute control over life and death, but only to the extent sanctioned by his nobles and peers, no man is an island and rule alone.
Feb 1, 2022 23:21:45	edgewalker69	But within the family, the father could not kill his own children
Feb 1, 2022 23:22:02	edgewalker69	They could in Rome
Feb 1, 2022 23:24:55	edgewalker69	Well in religions, law come from god, right? The King rule by divine right, so if god says; your sins are between you and god, and that is enforced by the state in order to legitimize one's own right to rule.
Feb 1, 2022 23:25:55	edgewalker69	Like the slaves of the USA in the civil war, the rights of every man to pursue happiness, well slaves are men too
Feb 1, 2022 23:26:12	edgewalker69	The law push progress
Feb 1, 2022 23:26:13	edgewalker69	the state
Feb 1, 2022 23:26:17	edgewalker69	so does the king
Feb 1, 2022 23:26:27	nosliwreborn	I'm having trouble trying to track what point edgewalker69 is trying to make
Feb 1, 2022 23:26:55	edgewalker69	I dont know
Feb 1, 2022 23:31:16	edgewalker69	My point is 1: if the King Rules by divine right. 2. Then god words must be law. 3. Therefore, it is in the interest of the king to push gods law. 4. By gods law, everyman is equal in the eyes of god. 5. Fast forward 500 years to the USA. Abraham Lincoln is the president of the USA, by right of the constitution and the god giving right to pursue happiness.
Feb 1, 2022 23:32:12	edgewalker69	Therefore, slaves are must be free in accordance with the law, because slaves are men too.

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