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edgewalker69

Is that correctly understood?

edgewalker69

So TSMC and intel are moving production from Taiwan to the USA, because China is not to be trusted, they are asshole?

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tcsongs

@krastorius I would personally buy AMD and TSMC stock ahead of then, but that's me :^)

elnur009

we are all high school dropouts here

elnur009

yeah lower level engrish pls

krastorius

Lisa Su (AMD) said these days, production will ramp up at second half 2022

gravemouthcoh

keep those conversations more simple pls

tcsongs

@tcSONGS boxman. I design the machines and am privy to their yields. yields are not lower.

gravemouthcoh

my brain is hurting boys

tcsongs

@edgewalker69 TSMC and Intel, but the important one is TSMC because they are the only ones on <7nm which constitutes a literal strategic asset, is a reason taiwan is under threat of invasion, and why biden just singed $29B for them in funding.

boxman600

@tcSONGS Maybe with the specific chips you make... However, the yield on high-density chips is much lower, which is why both AMD and intel are changing their manufacturing processes for how chips are made ot deal with the yield issues...

tcsongs

TSMC's machines are my machines -- and we are on a very long timeline even for the immediate future. all major IC companies have already increased capacity as much as they can and are running the machines ragged

edgewalker69

Who are the companies moving production to Phoenix? And from where? Taiwan?

tcsongs

you think TSMC would allow us to charge them for LESS yield? absolutely not

krastorius

@edgewalker69 mining demand, higher demand from companies and customers, problems in production because corona

tcsongs

boxman I am LITERALLY responsible for what you're talking about. yield is not down.

gravemouthcoh

i want xcom's opinion on ridiculous graphics card prices in the lasy year or so

edgewalker69

So not simple after all Kappa

boxman600

@boxman600 Huh? of course it's true, the yield on higher-density chips is much lower

tcsongs

crypto is a factor in GPU pricing, but china just banned crypto, so...

1aveator

also crypto burning chips?

tcsongs

@boxman600 not true at all but okay

boxman600

High demand on chips and the yield of chips is lower now

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